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Anonymous Anonimni said...

The spelling that you have listed for Rodic is incorrect. It is spelt Radic sometimes as Raditsch. I have the original document awarded to the cousin of Ferdinand I of Austria who was Michael Raditsch I or rather Radic granted 1 December 1600. This document entitled Michael Radic as the Duke of Croatia as he was the head of his military at that time. He ruled as Duke of Croatia under Austro Hungarian empire as of 1 December 1600 to 1608 then again around 1616. This family was originally from Croatia but at one time migrated to Romania and according to the records on the maternal side was named Kraljic von Sekely but were direct descendants to Saint Stephan's family. The family returned to Croatia but the records are a bit hazy on this date. In any case, vital records show that this family was originally related to King Zvonimir by way of female lineage. This is about all I can tell you at this time. And, you should correct your records to reflect information provided to you. Thank you. SRB

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Anonymous Anonimni said...

To add to previous comment about Rodich. It is only noted in two books of peerage. It clearly states that Rodich family name did not hold title of a Duke but that of a Baron title. The records clearly indicate that Radich in fact does hold title of a Duke and is related to the Anjou, Habsburg, Bathory, and Arpad family trees by blood line. Information easily found by looking into peerage books written in German or Frankish language called "The Nobility of Croatia, Dalmatia" and Nobility of Slovenia, Carniola, and Carinthia".

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Hi, my name is Ferdinand Raditsch, can this anonymous contact me?
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There is a noble family named as Rodic who held a knighthood in the Archives and written in the Wappenbuch of J. Siemacher. However there is also many entries for the Radic (Raditsch - Radich) name that links them to several Royal households in the surrounding areas. This family is very, very old. It's ancient lineage dates back to 753 B.C. Rome. It states they are from the "Manlius Torquatus" gens who were the first "Counts of Anjou". There is still a member living. This member's surname is "Torquatus von Radic" (Raditsch). This branch is connected to the Frangipani (Frangepan - Frankopan) Subich, Zriniski, Blagay, Corbavia (Korbava) branches. They hold several ancient documents in their possession. One is dated 1 December 1600. This one states they are descended from a Michael Raditsch (Radic - Radich) who was granted on that day the title "Prince of Zengg". The other documents state that the family is originally from a "Roman Patrician" family descended from "Emperor Augustus". The documents have been authenticated. Why no one has listened to their claims has been in some people's opinion a reckless disregard and to others has been is sheer negligence or stubborn ignorance. What a shame the truth cannot be shared while there are those who falsely went to another country to steal this family's good name as their own when they are not even related by blood or marriage!

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There is a noble family named as Rodic who held a knighthood in the Archives and written in the Wappenbuch of J. Siemacher. However there is also many entries for the Radic (Raditsch - Radich) name that links them to several Royal households in the surrounding areas. This family is very, very old. It's ancient lineage dates back to 753 B.C. Rome. It states they are from the "Manlius Torquatus" gens who were the first "Counts of Anjou". There is still a member living. This member's surname is "Torquatus von Radic" (Raditsch). This branch is connected to the Frangipani (Frangepan - Frankopan) Subich, Zriniski, Blagay, Corbavia (Korbava) branches. They hold several ancient documents in their possession. One is dated 1 December 1600. This one states they are descended from a Michael Raditsch (Radic - Radich) who was granted on that day the title "Prince of Zengg". The other documents state that the family is originally from a "Roman Patrician" family descended from "Emperor Augustus". The documents have been authenticated. Why no one has listened to their claims has been in some people's opinion a reckless disregard and to others has been is sheer negligence or stubborn ignorance. What a shame the truth cannot be shared while there are those who falsely went to another country to steal this family's good name as their own when they are not even related by blood or marriage!

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There is a noble family named as Rodic who held a knighthood in the Archives and written in the Wappenbuch of J. Siemacher. However there is also many entries for the Radic (Raditsch - Radich) name that links them to several Royal households in the surrounding areas. This family is very, very old. It's ancient lineage dates back to 753 B.C. Rome. It states they are from the "Manlius Torquatus" gens who were the first "Counts of Anjou". There is still a member living. This member's surname is "Torquatus von Radic" (Raditsch). This branch is connected to the Frangipani (Frangepan - Frankopan) Subich, Zriniski, Blagay, Corbavia (Korbava) branches. They hold several ancient documents in their possession. One is dated 1 December 1600. This one states they are descended from a Michael Raditsch (Radic - Radich) who was granted on that day the title "Prince of Zengg". The other documents state that the family is originally from a "Roman Patrician" family descended from "Emperor Augustus". The documents have been authenticated. Why no one has listened to their claims has been in some people's opinion a reckless disregard and to others has been is sheer negligence or stubborn ignorance. What a shame the truth cannot be shared while there are those who falsely went to another country to steal this family's good name as their own when they are not even related by blood or marriage!

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There is a noble family named as Rodic who held a knighthood in the Archives and written in the Wappenbuch of J. Siemacher. However there is also many entries for the Radic (Raditsch - Radich) name that links them to several Royal households in the surrounding areas. This family is very, very old. It's ancient lineage dates back to 753 B.C. Rome. It states they are from the "Manlius Torquatus" gens who were the first "Counts of Anjou". There is still a member living. This member's surname is "Torquatus von Radic" (Raditsch). This branch is connected to the Frangipani (Frangepan - Frankopan) Subich, Zriniski, Blagay, Corbavia (Korbava) branches. They hold several ancient documents in their possession. One is dated 1 December 1600. This one states they are descended from a Michael Raditsch (Radic - Radich) who was granted on that day the title "Prince of Zengg". The other documents state that the family is originally from a "Roman Patrician" family descended from "Emperor Augustus". The documents have been authenticated. Why no one has listened to their claims has been in some people's opinion a reckless disregard and to others has been is sheer negligence or stubborn ignorance. What a shame the truth cannot be shared while there are those who falsely went to another country to steal this family's good name as their own when they are not even related by blood or marriage!

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Blogger Unknown said...

i just googled my name and this blog came up. my name is peggy von radics and my grandfather was a baron (grandmother called him baron pockets) his name was maximillian and my fathers name is victor stephen spelled the same as the stephen in your blog. i was told my grandfather was austrian, not croation but my grandfather died when i was really young and never got the chance to find out any other history than that. wondering where my branch of the family fits into all of that history.

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Anonymous Anonimni said...

I will try my best to answer your inquiry. I hope it helps clarify your path to with your search.

It is a bit complicated to explain because it involves cultural traditions, inheritances, historic events and other factors. The least complicated explanation is to explain the case of how the "Royal Croatian Family" of the von Radic acquired this surname. You see the von Radic surname was not their original surname.

According to the Royal Archival records it explains the family originated from an ancient Illyrian Kingdom. However following that line of information told us that they were directly related to both Western Roman and Eastern Roman Empires by blood and marriage. Which makes sense since they stood in the middle of both of these great Empires. The family underwent many changes which is a true test of their ability to survive throughout the ages.

The particular von Radic lineage mentioned previously had a few branches related to them either directly or indirectly. It would be too lengthy to explain this part of history. I can provide some of the closest branches directly related. Some of those names were Zrinski, Frankopan (Frangipane/Frangipani), Šubić de Bribir.

Šubić, was one of the twelve tribes which constituted the Croatian statehood in the Middle Ages; they held the county of Bribir (Varvaria) in inland Dalmatia. During the Roman period the area of Bribir was known as Varvaria which had the status of Municipium and was the center of the 14 Liburnian counties. It was held by the family which possessed a multitude of ancient documents which states the "nobiles, comites and principes Breberienses (Prince of Bribir - Knezovi Bribirski in Croatian) had belonged to the Šubić tribe.

Marcus Forstall who was a secretary for the family in the late 16th century compiled a history of the Zrins, tracing them back to the Brebers, to the tribe of the Šubić and from there to the Roman gens Sulpicia.

The illustrious Charles Ducange (1610 - 1688) mentions their fabulous origins in his Illyrici Veteris et Novi, page 237... "Dynastae in Zrinio magno semper in Dalmatia, et in Croatiae, et potentau gaudebant, primum ante anno 1347 Breberiensium, deinde Zriniorum nomine cogniti: Comites Breberienses ex antiquo Sulpitorum Romanorum genere orti, Subich a Dalmatis patrio cognominabantur sermone."

What Ducange wrote caused a lot of debate. This was because over the centuries, especially during the Renaissance period there was a wish to establish a link with the great traditions of Rome. It was a common vanity of those times and there is a resurgence every so often. However, the lineage of the Šubić they all must admit is not groundless.

There are a multitude of records in various archives which vary in age which provides a lot of interesting information about them. While some are in bits and pieces, it still offers us quite an illustrious history.

The area they ruled over during the period of the Roman Empire (Dalmatia) was a Senatorial province and thus would have affiliations with the Patrician families of Rome. Marriage alliances to secure peace was common during that period as well.

Some people are not ware of what a Patrician family is. Patrician comes from the word Pater: meaning Father... continuing of Patrician meaning: the original Aristocratic families of Ancient Rome.

Illyricum (Illyris Romana or Illyris Barbara) was a Roman Province which replaced most of the region of Illyria. It stretched from the Drilon river (modern Albania) to Istria (Croatia) in the west and Sava river in the north (near modern Split in Croatia) which functioned as its capital.

This encompassed the area that the Šubić family ruled over.

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ROYAL familiy Von Radic does not exist...This is a fake princess cause last croatian king Petar Svacic 1093. - 1097.

does't have any children,other kings were hungarian ,austrian and others...

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My grandmothers family name is Radic. I doubt it but would there be a connection?

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